Guilty Until Proven Harmless
January 4th, 2009The US has roughly 270 prisoners held in Guantánamo Bay. None of these have had a trial and most have been there for months or years. While there, they are tortured, apparently as a matter of routine. Clearly this is immoral and illegal, and so there is obviously pressure to close the place down and either release the inmates or actually charge them with something. The question then arises of what to do with the inmates. Many of them would not be accepted by their home countries for various reasons, and the US says they are too dangerous to release in America. Defense Secretary Robert Gates estimated there were 50-70 such prisoners. The options appear to be either releasing them in the US or finding another country who will take them. Since these are people against whom no criminal case can be constructed, either of those should be pretty easy, right?
So, either to help out an ally, or to get in with Obama early on, or just to try to do something good for the world and hasten the release of illegally held torture subjects beyond those we’re legally obliged to accept, the Foreign Office has indicated that Britain might be willing to accept some of these people. This article has a comments box. That was never going to end well.
Quite simply the message from the Conservatives should be clear and unequivocal :
Britain must not accept any of these people.
The fact that some people who were originally held in Guantanamo and released went on to be come suicide bombers.
The risks are too high and Britian must now put its citizens first and not indulge itself in vague concepts of Human trights about non British citizens
POSTED BY: STRAIGHT TALK, SOUTH YORKSHIRE, BRITAIN | 1 JAN 2009 13:42:33
Someone on the site pointed out that in this context “some” was actually some figure between “not many” and “one”, but even without that, this guy’s argument could equally be used to execute all schoolteachers, since at least one of those has also committed a terror attack in this country.
We must not accept these people with the extended families they will bring with them remember if they come here we the taxpayers will have to pay for them also our soldiers which they tried to kill will have to pay for them this country is in a form of MADNESS it must stop
POSTED BY: DEE | 1 JAN 2009 14:40:27
It’s not even worth picking that run-on nonsense apart.
this is george bush’s mess and he has to take responsibility for it. if brown accepts any people from it there will be a huge backlash. we haven’t forgot the london bombings.
POSTED BY: TONE | 1 JAN 2009 15:19:08
And if he can’t fix it in the next couple of weeks, then what? Sweep it under the rug?
Why cant the US simply dump these folks back where they were originaly picked up? I’m sure they will find a ready welcome in Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
POSTED BY: DAVID | 1 JAN 2009 15:50:15
Because they’ll be killed and it’s illegal to deport people under those conditions.
So hold on a minute….
The UK is not allowed to expel Islamic terrorists but we have to allow them in?
We have around 4+ million(not 1.8million as the government predicts) Muslims in the UK. At least 60% of them want Islamisation of the UK and are sympathetic to the Islamist cause.
I vaguely wonder where he’s pulling these numbers from.
Our government is allowing 5k Pakistani Halal butchers into the UK with their families even though we are supposed to have changed to a points based entry scheme that they do not pass.
We are importing Saudi Arabian Wahabism and the government does nothing. And now we are going to allow terrorists into the UK from Guantanamo Bay?
The point, you see, is that if they were terrorists, they would by now have been charged with something.
Who really British wants to live here anymore? I certainly don’t. Is this all part of the government’s plan to remove British people from the UK and build a new multicultural paradise doomed to all out future war as cultures start fighting one another for supremacy(No doubt Islam will be winner there).
I see.
This is madness.
Then again our society deserves the government they vote in. If the UK is to fall unto a quagmire of Islamic terrorism and chaos, then you have yourselves to blame and not the government. Why? You voted them in to reap this destruction of your culture. Do something about it and vote them out. And I suggest also not voting for the Conservatives or the Liberals. They are no different to NuLabour and will continue the destruction of the UK. There will be only one benefit and that will be to the newly elected government members whose wages and perks will go up drastically.POSTED BY: WINSTON SMITH | 1 JAN 2009 16:08:14
Well clearly he has thought this through.
That sounds both true and relevant.
there should be the biggest mass demonstration on the streets of this country against allowing these people into this country thats ever been before, This should happen sooner rather then later before they become a burden to the british taxpayer.
I notice you have no security concerns: you’re just worried about immigration.
never ever thought I would say it ,but I cant wait until we have a BNP government.
just to end this lunancy.
The solution is clear: different lunacy.
No uk or non uk nationals caught fighting UK forces should be returned here. To accept such individuals constitutes a threat to our security and is a gross and blatant infringement of my human rights
Yes, but do you have an opinion about this story?
Carlyle,
I think you are not alone in your views. I think the UK is about to get a shock come next election. I also do not think that Conservatives will get the votes they are hoping for from disgruntled inhabitants of the UK. Many are realising that it will be the same old, same old with the tories, who incidentally set the ball rolling in the destruction of the UK.
Presumably, then, you’re predicting a Lib Dem win, yes? That being the only possible outcome other than Labour, Conservative and a tie.
They should be allowed in to become investment advisors to the Church of England. They look like enviromentalists and the Archbisop needs advice.
What?
Has this loathsome Government any regard whatsoever for us?
Let’s remind ourselves that they are the ones trying to stop illegal torture and you are the one arguing with them.
Suggest we house em on HMP Rockall
Suggest we don’t let you talk any more.
An immigrant, even an illegal immigrant can claim a jobseekers allowance and family allowance and housing benefit far in excess of my 80% war disability pension. Where is the logic in that?
I imagine it’s the same logic that links this factoid to a discussion about Guantanamo.
This is what happens if you point out that they’re talking nonsense:
mattbramall - Are you living on cloud cuckoo land like Labour, have you forgotten about the innocent people who lost their lives in the suicide bombings in London.
I imagine he remembers them but correctly considers them irrelevant.
Do you really think these inmates are not Islamic extremists.
Yes?
UK security is a priority then suspected terrorists.
The Netherlands has made a stance, ruling out accepting any Guantanamo inmates. Also Dutch Immigration Service has expelled 1,475 people in 2008, the authorities expel foreign residents who have been sentenced to 1 month in prison or community work. The Dutch put their country & citizens first and if the Conservatives want my vote then they should be clear on putting British citizens first for security and welfare and tightening the Human Rights act to make it easier to expel suspected terrorists and foreigners declared persona non-grata.
POSTED BY: QUIN WILLIAMS | 4 JAN 2009 10:03:24
I notice you keep using the word ’suspected’. If you replaced it with ‘convicted’ you would have a point, but then that point would be irrelevant. The point about suspected terrorists is that they might not have done it. Innocent until proven guilty and so on. I wonder with how much grace Quin Williams would accept his own deportation, detention and torture if there was suspicion that he might be a terrorist.
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You can be absolutely sure that they will be better treated by the British Government than our own servicemen.Thats Labour.